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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptic zone podcast

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episode number 709

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for the 8th of may

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2022

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richard saunders coming to you from

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sydney australia what's on this week's

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episode of the skeptic zone the question

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on everybody's mind at the moment we're

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going to kick off

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with an interview with susan gerbic our

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dear friend

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and frequent visitor to the show this

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time susan will be interviewed by our

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reporter adrian hill

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which is sort of a bit funny in a way

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because susan does so many things for

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the skeptic zone anyway

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but anyway susan and adrian were

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recently on a big tour of the east coast

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of the united states and as you'll hear

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in this interview susan places a lot of

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importance on visiting local skeptical

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and i heartily agree i think that's a

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great idea

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and also you'll hear about a new award

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susan received

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and listen carefully

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for the curse

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susan mentions a curse

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regarding

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ufos

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after that interview it's the australian

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skeptic's news

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read by me this week filling in for

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adrian hill hmm that's interesting

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following that it's the book of tim

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the book of tim with part two

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of his look at the history of father

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christmas or santa claus and then

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talking about ufos to round off the show

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trove dives back into the ufo files to

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find historical reports of stories

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regarding unidentified flying objects

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alien spaceships

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the enterprise who knows what else in

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the trove segment today

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so no matter what you're doing this

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weekend maybe you've gone away for a

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little weekend away to pamper yourself

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sounds good to me

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oh i wish i was there

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are you at a retreat have you gone to

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the mountains maybe you're by a lake or

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on a cruise no matter what you're doing

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i hope you're enjoying yourself but now

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it's time for me to run downstairs and

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see if i can

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find a bagel maybe some smoked salmon a

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bit of avocado

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a little bit of pepper on top of that

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sounds good to me

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while i do that i hope you enjoy the

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you can count on adrian

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hello it's adrian hill from canada but

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right now i'm actually in raleigh north

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carolina and i'm staying with skeptical

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friends romero and faith

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and i have to say they put me up in a

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very interesting room because hidden

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inside the bedroom closet they found a

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spooky message about a year after they

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purchased the house and it says

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whoever has this house next beware

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it's haunted and but

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so far i have been very disappointed in

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the lack of spirit activity but joining

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me today is susan gerbic hey susan hi

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to join her as a photographer

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sticker distributor on a speaking tour

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little while ago and it just didn't

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so can you tell us about that right so i

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received the phillip class award which

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is skeptics that are in maryland dc area

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and it's for outstanding contributions

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in critical thinking and scientific

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in 2006 to michael shermer then to james

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randy robert park who's a professor of

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physics then paul kurtz

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joel achenbach who's a writer for the

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washington post then pinon teller

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scientist and then lastly to john mayer

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who's an astrophysicist and a nobel

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very exciting to get the award

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it's a beautiful award too oh my gosh i

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can't travel with it but it is really

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house based on what

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you just read you are the first woman to

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ever have received it yeah as far as i

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know i'm the first to receive it that's

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is or was one of the premier ufo

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mick west as well as other people but

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this is really fun i'm gonna i'm gonna

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read this to you because this is the

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last will and testament of philip j

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so this is really fun to ufologists who

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publicly criticize me or who even think

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unkind thoughts about me in private i do

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hereby leave and bequeath the ufo curse

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no matter how long you live you will

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never know any more about ufos than you

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know today you will never know any more

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about what ufos really are or where they

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come from you will never know any more

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you lie on your own deathbed you will be

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as mystified about ufos as you are today

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and you will remember this curse so this

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testament and part of it and he als he

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interesting questions

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north carolina area so that should be a

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about that i've never been to actually

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the smaller groups i mean it's a lot of

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lot of places that are the small little

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groups that that people haven't had a

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i think they really deserve it so you

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know if you want to have me out for a

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talk please let me know and i'll do my

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best to get there well it's so fun

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uh had dinner as i say and lunch and

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blumner that was really exciting and we

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raleigh and went up to this beautiful

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mission of the about time project which

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is the nonprofit that i run is not

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necessarily to to bust psychics and to

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write wikipedia pages it's always has

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with us is romero say hi romero

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the podcast for a while now and so this

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podcast that's great it is awesome

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anywhere but a lot of people are not

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quite ready to meet in person and they

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didn't have um a place to meet at

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of may so

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skeptics if you want to if you're in

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i'll be flying home the next day the

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14th back to california so

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you know it's been a it'll be 19 days on

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what romero said he's been a longtime

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fan of the skeptic zone and he's been

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listening and here he is now on the

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podcast um we have a new editor who just

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she's in woodstock georgia which is

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awful long way from australia and she

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i think it's really fun and give her a

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nice shout out yeah it's awesome it's so

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exciting well anyway this has been a

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real blast susan i am so happy that you

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have invited me on this tour i was very

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hesitant i think mostly because of covid

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it has been wonderful and i'm really

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hoping i get to do this again yeah thank

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you so much for coming and hanging out

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with me it's been more as the

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photographer is just having a companion

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to travel with and help and get lost and

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go to the wrong airports oh my goodness

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oh yeah those kinds of things you know

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be late for planes and

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they got ubers and all that kind of

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stuff it's been a lot of fun we

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burke for a couple days that's correct

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and that was so funny another gsw editor

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correct we've talked lots of times over

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zoom but have never met in person so

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that was really fun and we got to go see

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a play a musical at the ford theater in

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washington dc that's where lincoln was

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assassinated yeah a long time ago and uh

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yeah so there's a lot to see um you know

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it's been a blast and i'd really like to

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come out and talk to more groups we will

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be having don't forget in coming up in

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july we're going to be doing a

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uh the bay area skeptics all virtual is

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going to have a conference over zoom on

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the 15th 16th and 17th of july so

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everybody's got to come out to see that

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and hey don't forget there's going to be

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a bunch of conferences coming up there's

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the qed coming up in manchester as um

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and i think it's october 28th

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of this year and cycon

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you can't miss icon if you're anywhere

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near vegas or you can get to las vegas

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that's going to be october 20th and

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onward so if you have any

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questions about cycon please get in

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touch i'm happy to

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give you my wisdom of traveling to vegas

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as well as hanging out with people and

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getting to know people and

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where to eat all that great stuff it's

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it's going to be a blast so you know

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2022 is gonna be a great year and um

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remember the magic numbers are always

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five five that's awesome thanks so much

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susan and now i think after that it's

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time to go downstairs and eat my

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leftover chicken fried steak and fried

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green tomatoes don't forget those hush

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puppies until next time this is adrian

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hill signing off

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[Music]

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i'm a psychic my name is psychic carey

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i'm ross oh what a pleasure to meet you

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of course i knew your name was ross

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because i am a psychic but please take a

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seat well i was hoping we could talk

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about talk about my podcast podcast yes

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i know it's called oh no ross and carey

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yes we investigate from science

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spirituality and claims of the

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paranormal normal you took the words

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right out of my mouth yes this whole

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podcast it sounds like it's been a real

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challenge for you lately actually it's a

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lot of fun yes exactly because it's so

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fun

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i don't know how you this will be 75

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okay that seems fair oh no ross and

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carrie at

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maximumfun.org.org i have a gift

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[Music]

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hello this is richard saunders filling

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in filling in for adrian hill from

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canada who normally brings you the

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australian skeptics newsletter written

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by tim mendenham of course

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well adrian as you just heard is on tour

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so i'm filling in

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yes adrian i'll simply always be an

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understudy for you

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australian skeptics newsletter number

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147

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and this arrived in my inbox on the 2nd

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of may hi all it says

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with a federal election only weeks away

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it is important to keep an eye on those

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minor parties and their conspiratorial

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anti-science policies often hidden

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behind benign party names some have been

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with us for a while

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in one name or another

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and some have grown out of the quote

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sovereign citizen end quote and

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anti-lockdown movements vote how you

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like

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but make sure you

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do your own research

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read on

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tim

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morrocate him that's what we'll do

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[Music]

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australian skeptics news concerns over

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anti-vaxxer's

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280 thousand dollars raised

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for flood support

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there have been problems in the past

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about anti-vaxxers raising funds for

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their campaigns and how the money is

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spent

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this story concerns a group with known

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anti-backs and

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leanings raising money for flood victims

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note this is a crikey article and most

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articles there are behind paywalls

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hopefully this one is accessible

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generally and of course that reminds me

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to remind you that all the stories you

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get when you get the australian skeptics

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newsletter delivered

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come with links to the stories mentioned

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anti-vaxxers running in federal election

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interesting look at anti-vaxxers and

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conspiracy theorists

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either as individuals or whole parties

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running in the coming election this item

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links to a twitter account and while we

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don't know who the author

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celery sorbet is

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the account has interesting info on some

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of the lesser lights of politics

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what britons really think about the

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afterlife

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sponsored by a company that makes ghost

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hunting gear so there may be a vested

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interest there

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a survey of more than one thousand

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people in the uk

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found that fifty percent believe in an

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afterlife and of those who do

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sixty believe we will all experience the

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same thing after death

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of those who believe in heaven or hell

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believe they'll go to heaven

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but 58 still worry about going to hell

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and yes assuming you don't have

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conflicted people knowing they'll go to

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heaven but are not really sure

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that does make 113

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in any case 40 believe they've seen a

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ghost

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and 33 have actively attempted to

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contact the dead

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comfortingly

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40

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believe they'll be reunited with their

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pet

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believe in science you should be more

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skeptical of science and scientists a

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somewhat exaggerated headline for an

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article that is not skeptical of science

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but warns about the results that are

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sometimes reported

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quote the problem today is not that we

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have too few data

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but we have too much data which seduces

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researchers into ransacking it for

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patterns that are easy to find

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likely to be coincidal and unlikely to

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be useful

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nigerian critical thinking group

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noted nigerian skeptic leo iguay and his

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colleagues have started a facebook group

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for their critical thinking society

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empowerment foundation

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they are looking for people to join and

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follow their activities

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they run critical thinking workshops for

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teachers and students they are asking

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for donations to help keep the program

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going in schools and across the regions

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[Music]

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the newsletter goes on to mention the

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current issue of the skeptic the journal

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from australian skeptics with a link to

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a sample article you can download but

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simply go to

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skeptics.com.edu to subscribe and find

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out more

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don't forget you can read most of back

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issues

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at that website completely free

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and we have some items of interest

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things you should know before visiting a

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psychic reader

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quite reasonable advice from

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a catholic site in brazil though some

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articles read like they were translated

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by google

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one concern about this article is that

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there is no mention of

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psychics

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researching the customer on social media

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before a meeting

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which is a major scam among

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practitioners the article does suggest

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quote

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use a reputable psychic reader and make

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sure

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they are licensed end quote which

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indicates that the industry might be

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more regulated in brazil

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one million dollar challenge to support

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the turin shroud

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expert on quote

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revered relic

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has called on the british museum to back

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up the results of its

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disputed

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carbon dating tests quote if it is a

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forgery show how it was done

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end quote

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we thought that there were already

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enough suggestions on this to counter

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and debunk the quote

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burst of radiation in quote supernatural

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explanations but a million bucks

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and finally

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silly story of the week

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i can hear adrian giggling already

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a woman claims her haunted doll

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collection is scaring off her neighbors

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a woman

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explained that shortly after she began

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haunted dolls

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neighbors began to move out of the

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apartment building

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no suggestion that her obsession with

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haunted dolls might have contributed to

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their decision to leave

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and no proof that the story is true

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apart from a paranormal investigator who

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says it's unlikely dolls can be

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possessed the story is based on a

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twitter

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and tick tock users

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comments

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impossible to verify

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and that was the highlights from the

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australian skeptics newsletter number

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147

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and don't forget you can get this

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newsletter delivered to your inbox every

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other week simply by signing up at

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skeptics.com.edu

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we're thanks again for tim menden for

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putting this all together and thanks to

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adrian hill for letting me letting me

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be her understudy for this week

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[Music]

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be reasonable is the interview show from

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the merseyside skeptic society where

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each month i speak to someone about

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their fringe beliefs over the years i've

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spoken to psychics ufo believers moon

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landing deniers flat earthers hollow

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earthers and all manner of unusual

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conspiracy theorists but i've also

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talked to aids denialists white

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supremacists gay conversion therapists i

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even interviewed jim humble the inventor

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of miracle mineral supplement a form of

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industrial beliefs that he and his

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followers use to treat cancer and hiv

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this isn't a debate sure my aim isn't to

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win an argument but when we listen to

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how people promote and justify the ideas

560
00:22:27,669 --> 00:22:25,919
that we disagree with even the dangerous

561
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ones i think we become much more

562
00:22:31,029 --> 00:22:29,919
effective at countering those ideas if

563
00:22:33,110 --> 00:22:31,039
that sounds like something you'd be

564
00:22:35,029 --> 00:22:33,120
interested in look for be reasonable on

565
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apple podcasts and everywhere else the

566
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[Music]

567
00:22:51,050 --> 00:22:48,870
and now

568
00:22:53,669 --> 00:22:51,060
a reading from the book of tim

569
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[Music]

570
00:23:00,180 --> 00:22:56,510
with tim mendem

571
00:23:02,630 --> 00:23:00,190
[Music]

572
00:23:05,029 --> 00:23:02,640
[Laughter]

573
00:23:07,029 --> 00:23:05,039
hi i'm tim menden i'm the executive

574
00:23:08,870 --> 00:23:07,039
officer of australian skeptics inc and

575
00:23:09,990 --> 00:23:08,880
i'm the editor of our quarterly magazine

576
00:23:12,310 --> 00:23:10,000
the skeptic

577
00:23:14,750 --> 00:23:12,320
but you can download most of the issues

578
00:23:16,549 --> 00:23:14,760
for free from our website

579
00:23:18,470 --> 00:23:16,559
skeptics.com.iu

580
00:23:21,830 --> 00:23:18,480
and today i'm reading part two of an

581
00:23:23,270 --> 00:23:21,840
article on santa claus and christmas and

582
00:23:26,070 --> 00:23:23,280
about all the aspects and the

583
00:23:27,909 --> 00:23:26,080
pertinences associated with it

584
00:23:29,909 --> 00:23:27,919
this was written by anthony wheeler and

585
00:23:30,990 --> 00:23:29,919
was published in the skeptic magazine

586
00:23:32,789 --> 00:23:31,000
december

587
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2015

588
00:23:39,190 --> 00:23:37,200
which is volume 35 number four

589
00:23:40,870 --> 00:23:39,200
and let's move on from a look at the

590
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history of santa claus

591
00:23:45,669 --> 00:23:43,520
santa claus or saint nicholas

592
00:23:47,590 --> 00:23:45,679
and look at getting into the idea of

593
00:23:49,190 --> 00:23:47,600
christmas and you know there's a lot of

594
00:23:53,850 --> 00:23:49,200
religious things about christmas so be

595
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[Music]

596
00:24:01,190 --> 00:23:59,200
there are no explicit clues in the bible

597
00:24:03,269 --> 00:24:01,200
as to christ's birthday

598
00:24:04,870 --> 00:24:03,279
the early eastern christian church

599
00:24:07,350 --> 00:24:04,880
celebrated the birth of christ in

600
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conjunction with the epiphany honoring

601
00:24:12,630 --> 00:24:10,400
christ's baptism on the 6th of january

602
00:24:15,269 --> 00:24:12,640
and later in the west commemorated the

603
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manifestation of christ to the gentiles

604
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as exemplified by the three magi the

605
00:24:20,149 --> 00:24:18,480
wise men

606
00:24:22,070 --> 00:24:20,159
meanwhile other early christians

607
00:24:23,350 --> 00:24:22,080
celebrated christ's birthday on the 20th

608
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of may

609
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to settle disputes between the eastern

610
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and western christian churches in about

611
00:24:33,029 --> 00:24:30,400
350 ce pope julian set the date of

612
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christ's birthday as the 25th of

613
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december

614
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there are two main reasons for choosing

615
00:24:39,269 --> 00:24:37,440
this date one was that christ's birth

616
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marked a new beginning in man's

617
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relationship with god and the winter

618
00:24:45,269 --> 00:24:43,760
solstice about 21st december the

619
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shortest day of the year from when the

620
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days start dawning earlier and ending

621
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later again mark the new beginning of

622
00:24:52,950 --> 00:24:51,440
the coming year

623
00:24:55,269 --> 00:24:52,960
perhaps the australian christmas should

624
00:24:56,870 --> 00:24:55,279
be celebrated on the 20th of june

625
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this would fit the winter solstice in

626
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the southern hemisphere but i doubt it

627
00:25:02,149 --> 00:25:00,640
would be popular

628
00:25:04,149 --> 00:25:02,159
a second reason is that many pagan

629
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festivals celebrated the solstice at the

630
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end of the harsh winter as a poor tent

631
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of better times to come for many warmer

632
00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:10,559
spring weather and the crops growing

633
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again

634
00:25:16,789 --> 00:25:13,840
the most quoted is the roman festival of

635
00:25:19,110 --> 00:25:16,799
saturnalia god of agriculture celebrated

636
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on the 17th of december

637
00:25:23,430 --> 00:25:21,200
rather than risking unpopularity by

638
00:25:25,830 --> 00:25:23,440
suppressing these pagan festivals the

639
00:25:27,430 --> 00:25:25,840
christian church instead took them over

640
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changing the focus of the celebration

641
00:25:31,909 --> 00:25:28,880
from the movement of the sun to the

642
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birth of god's child on earth

643
00:25:35,350 --> 00:25:33,760
we have five main sources for the

644
00:25:37,110 --> 00:25:35,360
trappings about christmas the roman

645
00:25:39,510 --> 00:25:37,120
celebration of saturnalia which is

646
00:25:42,310 --> 00:25:39,520
presence and merrymaking the winter

647
00:25:45,029 --> 00:25:42,320
solstice celebrations holly saint

648
00:25:47,510 --> 00:25:45,039
nicholas stockings the symbolism of the

649
00:25:49,350 --> 00:25:47,520
christian church holly and minced pies

650
00:25:50,950 --> 00:25:49,360
plus some modern innovations such as

651
00:25:53,110 --> 00:25:50,960
cards and candles

652
00:25:55,750 --> 00:25:53,120
the roman celebration of saturnalia and

653
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similar festivals included wild revelry

654
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without restraint

655
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with even the slaves enjoying a

656
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temporary liberty

657
00:26:05,510 --> 00:26:03,120
this is the origin of the memory making

658
00:26:06,789 --> 00:26:05,520
though rather more restricted now

659
00:26:08,710 --> 00:26:06,799
that became associated with the

660
00:26:10,870 --> 00:26:08,720
celebration of christ's birth

661
00:26:12,470 --> 00:26:10,880
the exchanging of presence also dates

662
00:26:15,110 --> 00:26:12,480
back to saturnalia

663
00:26:17,430 --> 00:26:15,120
holly as an evergreen represents

664
00:26:19,990 --> 00:26:17,440
continuing life and hope through the

665
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long dim cold winter in the same way as

666
00:26:23,909 --> 00:26:22,080
the evergreen conifers

667
00:26:26,149 --> 00:26:23,919
the red berries represented to some that

668
00:26:28,630 --> 00:26:26,159
drops of blood shed by christ from

669
00:26:30,950 --> 00:26:28,640
mankind and the prickly leaves christ's

670
00:26:32,870 --> 00:26:30,960
crown of thorns given by his captors

671
00:26:34,470 --> 00:26:32,880
however these two events are associated

672
00:26:36,470 --> 00:26:34,480
with christ's death at easter time

673
00:26:38,549 --> 00:26:36,480
rather than his birth at christmas

674
00:26:40,470 --> 00:26:38,559
evergreen trees bright lights and red

675
00:26:43,190 --> 00:26:40,480
color were typical of the bringing back

676
00:26:45,830 --> 00:26:43,200
the sun winter solstice celebrations the

677
00:26:47,430 --> 00:26:45,840
evergreen tree was an early pagan symbol

678
00:26:48,710 --> 00:26:47,440
of the winter solstice and the

679
00:26:50,630 --> 00:26:48,720
maintenance of life throughout the

680
00:26:53,830 --> 00:26:50,640
depths of winter it first appeared in

681
00:26:55,990 --> 00:26:53,840
germany in medieval 16th century times

682
00:26:57,510 --> 00:26:56,000
as a christmas tradition

683
00:26:59,269 --> 00:26:57,520
when saint nicholas gave his gift of

684
00:27:01,830 --> 00:26:59,279
gold to the three poor girls as we

685
00:27:03,750 --> 00:27:01,840
covered in part one of this presentation

686
00:27:05,990 --> 00:27:03,760
he may have surreptitiously dropped the

687
00:27:07,669 --> 00:27:06,000
coins through smoke holes in their roofs

688
00:27:10,470 --> 00:27:07,679
from where the coins fell into their

689
00:27:12,710 --> 00:27:10,480
stockings hung before the fire to dry

690
00:27:14,549 --> 00:27:12,720
not surprisingly once the word spread

691
00:27:16,149 --> 00:27:14,559
others hung stockings before their fires

692
00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:16,159
in the hope of receiving similar

693
00:27:21,110 --> 00:27:18,960
surprises alternatively stockings have

694
00:27:23,029 --> 00:27:21,120
long been the traditional safe place for

695
00:27:24,870 --> 00:27:23,039
keeping one's savings

696
00:27:26,950 --> 00:27:24,880
either way clement moore's description

697
00:27:29,190 --> 00:27:26,960
of the habit in the visit of saint

698
00:27:31,669 --> 00:27:29,200
nicholas made the stocking custom

699
00:27:33,510 --> 00:27:31,679
popular the biblical story of creation

700
00:27:35,430 --> 00:27:33,520
states that and there was evening and

701
00:27:38,630 --> 00:27:35,440
there was morning one day which is

702
00:27:40,389 --> 00:27:38,640
genesis chapter 1 verse 5.

703
00:27:41,430 --> 00:27:40,399
hence the day starts the preceding

704
00:27:42,950 --> 00:27:41,440
evening

705
00:27:45,190 --> 00:27:42,960
and to the celebration of christ's

706
00:27:48,310 --> 00:27:45,200
birthday properly starts on the evening

707
00:27:51,909 --> 00:27:48,320
of the 24th which is christmas eve the

708
00:27:54,149 --> 00:27:51,919
26th of december is since stephen's day

709
00:27:55,909 --> 00:27:54,159
in britain this is known as boxing day

710
00:27:56,950 --> 00:27:55,919
after the custom of giving presents in a

711
00:27:58,630 --> 00:27:56,960
box

712
00:28:00,470 --> 00:27:58,640
hence the descriptions of a christmas

713
00:28:03,110 --> 00:28:00,480
box being a collection of gifts to

714
00:28:04,870 --> 00:28:03,120
people out a debt of gratitude

715
00:28:06,470 --> 00:28:04,880
though these days the actual box is no

716
00:28:07,830 --> 00:28:06,480
longer used and the gifts are more

717
00:28:09,909 --> 00:28:07,840
usually money

718
00:28:11,990 --> 00:28:09,919
the church reinterpreted saturnalia's

719
00:28:14,549 --> 00:28:12,000
giving of presence as commemorating

720
00:28:16,389 --> 00:28:14,559
god's gift his son to mankind the

721
00:28:18,470 --> 00:28:16,399
christmas box itself remains as the

722
00:28:20,230 --> 00:28:18,480
collecting box used in churches to

723
00:28:21,350 --> 00:28:20,240
collect gifts for distribution to the

724
00:28:24,789 --> 00:28:21,360
needy

725
00:28:28,070 --> 00:28:24,799
a tiny oblong pie with a pastry doll

726
00:28:30,230 --> 00:28:28,080
lying inside represented christ's cradle

727
00:28:32,549 --> 00:28:30,240
the pie was filled with minced meat

728
00:28:36,230 --> 00:28:32,559
often lamb's tongue or mutton hence it

729
00:28:37,909 --> 00:28:36,240
was called a mince meat pie or mince pie

730
00:28:40,389 --> 00:28:37,919
the returning crusaders introduced

731
00:28:42,950 --> 00:28:40,399
spices to replace the meat the oblong

732
00:28:45,830 --> 00:28:42,960
cradle became round but the name and the

733
00:28:47,669 --> 00:28:45,840
association with christmas stuck

734
00:28:49,669 --> 00:28:47,679
the first letter of christ in greek

735
00:28:52,230 --> 00:28:49,679
christos is chai

736
00:28:53,830 --> 00:28:52,240
written like a capital x with a wavy

737
00:28:56,149 --> 00:28:53,840
diagonal line

738
00:28:59,510 --> 00:28:56,159
because of the similarity to our x the

739
00:29:01,750 --> 00:28:59,520
abbreviation of christ's mass to x mass

740
00:29:04,310 --> 00:29:01,760
was inevitable in the days when all

741
00:29:06,389 --> 00:29:04,320
writing was by hand for others the x

742
00:29:08,389 --> 00:29:06,399
represents saint andrew's cross or

743
00:29:10,630 --> 00:29:08,399
perhaps the cross of other saints or the

744
00:29:14,070 --> 00:29:10,640
cross of the crucifixion

745
00:29:17,110 --> 00:29:14,080
so henry cole from 1808 to 1882 was an

746
00:29:18,389 --> 00:29:17,120
english civil servant and inventor he

747
00:29:20,870 --> 00:29:18,399
wanted to improve the public's

748
00:29:22,950 --> 00:29:20,880
appreciation of arts and culture to this

749
00:29:25,269 --> 00:29:22,960
end he devised the postal service

750
00:29:27,990 --> 00:29:25,279
constructed the albert hall inspired the

751
00:29:30,389 --> 00:29:28,000
1851 great exhibition inaugurated the

752
00:29:32,149 --> 00:29:30,399
victorian album museum and invented the

753
00:29:35,590 --> 00:29:32,159
christmas card

754
00:29:37,590 --> 00:29:35,600
established valentine's day card

755
00:29:40,310 --> 00:29:37,600
incorporating the french fashion of

756
00:29:43,029 --> 00:29:40,320
conveying christmas wishes in verse and

757
00:29:45,029 --> 00:29:43,039
a set piece of seasonal schoolwork where

758
00:29:47,750 --> 00:29:45,039
pupils wrote copperplate christmas

759
00:29:49,029 --> 00:29:47,760
wishes to their parents on a decorated

760
00:29:50,950 --> 00:29:49,039
sheet

761
00:29:52,950 --> 00:29:50,960
together with an item of commissioned

762
00:29:55,029 --> 00:29:52,960
artwork painted on the front the card

763
00:29:56,789 --> 00:29:55,039
was highly symbolic and morally

764
00:29:58,950 --> 00:29:56,799
uplifting

765
00:30:00,950 --> 00:29:58,960
so henry cole and the

766
00:30:03,190 --> 00:30:00,960
nursery rhyme old king cole been no

767
00:30:05,830 --> 00:30:03,200
relation though in an early 18th century

768
00:30:08,950 --> 00:30:05,840
depiction alkinecol looked surprisingly

769
00:30:10,950 --> 00:30:08,960
like our image of santa claus

770
00:30:13,029 --> 00:30:10,960
the candles on the tree have been

771
00:30:15,350 --> 00:30:13,039
ascribed to the german protestant martin

772
00:30:17,990 --> 00:30:15,360
luther wanting a symbol of the beauty of

773
00:30:19,590 --> 00:30:18,000
the clear night sky sparkling with stars

774
00:30:21,269 --> 00:30:19,600
on christmas eve

775
00:30:23,669 --> 00:30:21,279
the candles on the tree were luther's

776
00:30:24,950 --> 00:30:23,679
analogy of those stars to represent

777
00:30:27,029 --> 00:30:24,960
god's glory

778
00:30:29,110 --> 00:30:27,039
the tinsel may have had the same purpose

779
00:30:31,510 --> 00:30:29,120
possibly inspired by glistening spiders

780
00:30:33,990 --> 00:30:31,520
whips the candles have fortunately been

781
00:30:35,110 --> 00:30:34,000
replaced now by much safer electric

782
00:30:36,870 --> 00:30:35,120
lights

783
00:30:39,029 --> 00:30:36,880
the christmas tree with its candles was

784
00:30:40,549 --> 00:30:39,039
not initially popular with the british

785
00:30:42,310 --> 00:30:40,559
the first recorded use was at a

786
00:30:45,110 --> 00:30:42,320
christmas party given by princess

787
00:30:47,830 --> 00:30:45,120
caroline in 1821

788
00:30:51,029 --> 00:30:47,840
dickens disparaged the innovation as

789
00:30:52,789 --> 00:30:51,039
the new german toy attitudes changed

790
00:30:55,110 --> 00:30:52,799
quickly when albert the prince consort

791
00:30:57,190 --> 00:30:55,120
had a christmas tree erected at windsor

792
00:30:59,269 --> 00:30:57,200
castle and from then the custom was

793
00:31:01,350 --> 00:30:59,279
popular the tree was usually the

794
00:31:02,950 --> 00:31:01,360
norwegian spruce

795
00:31:05,110 --> 00:31:02,960
though any evergreen preferably a

796
00:31:07,430 --> 00:31:05,120
conifer will serve

797
00:31:09,110 --> 00:31:07,440
and so from the myths of dutch settlers

798
00:31:11,350 --> 00:31:09,120
the ancient roman celebration of

799
00:31:13,190 --> 00:31:11,360
saturnalia the celebration of the winter

800
00:31:15,350 --> 00:31:13,200
solstice as the portent of better times

801
00:31:17,110 --> 00:31:15,360
to come the example of the good saint

802
00:31:19,509 --> 00:31:17,120
nicholas the symbolism of the christian

803
00:31:21,750 --> 00:31:19,519
church and some modern innovations we

804
00:31:24,389 --> 00:31:21,760
have our modern father christmas and all

805
00:31:32,070 --> 00:31:24,399
the trappings of our annual celebration

806
00:31:35,509 --> 00:31:33,509
and that's father figure by anthony

807
00:31:39,509 --> 00:31:35,519
wheeler from the skeptic magazine

808
00:31:41,509 --> 00:31:39,519
december 2015 which is volume 35 number

809
00:31:43,310 --> 00:31:41,519
four which you can download from the

810
00:31:45,350 --> 00:31:43,320
skeptics site

811
00:31:47,830 --> 00:31:45,360
skeptics.com.iu along with most other

812
00:31:51,510 --> 00:31:47,840
issues of the magazine for free merry

813
00:32:13,190 --> 00:32:11,430
[Music]

814
00:32:16,070 --> 00:32:13,200
this is kyle from the data skeptic

815
00:32:18,310 --> 00:32:16,080
podcast if you're curious about the way

816
00:32:20,870 --> 00:32:18,320
data is changing our world topics like

817
00:32:23,269 --> 00:32:20,880
ai and all this craziness with facebook

818
00:32:25,590 --> 00:32:23,279
and bots and the twitter storm and how

819
00:32:27,269 --> 00:32:25,600
the algorithms that underline that work

820
00:32:28,950 --> 00:32:27,279
and you don't want a technical deep dive

821
00:32:30,389 --> 00:32:28,960
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822
00:32:31,830 --> 00:32:30,399
in a way that people can understand

823
00:32:34,149 --> 00:32:31,840
check us out at data skeptic that's what

824
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we try and do i interview advanced

825
00:32:37,509 --> 00:32:35,760
professionals in the field who do this

826
00:32:40,830 --> 00:32:37,519
sort of research and then i get into

827
00:32:45,050 --> 00:32:43,350
well we're a weekly show and you can

828
00:33:01,020 --> 00:32:45,060
find us at datasceptic.com

829
00:33:01,030 --> 00:33:05,350
[Music]

830
00:33:10,549 --> 00:33:07,750
now it's time once again to head back to

831
00:33:13,110 --> 00:33:10,559
those trove archives at trove.nla.gov

832
00:33:15,190 --> 00:33:13,120
that are you the treasure trove

833
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the trove of goodies digital goodies

834
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waiting for you to explore digitized

835
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836
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sorts of things going back many many

837
00:33:26,149 --> 00:33:24,640
years generations

838
00:33:27,750 --> 00:33:26,159
you might say

839
00:33:29,750 --> 00:33:27,760
and this week we're going to explore

840
00:33:31,830 --> 00:33:29,760
another topic we've covered before but

841
00:33:34,389 --> 00:33:31,840
why not it's an evergreen

842
00:33:36,870 --> 00:33:34,399
and it's dear to my heart

843
00:33:39,750 --> 00:33:36,880
ufos oh

844
00:33:42,549 --> 00:33:39,760
ufos the gift that just keeps on giving

845
00:33:48,389 --> 00:33:42,559
decade after decade after decade

846
00:33:55,110 --> 00:33:51,190
and we'll begin our trip this week on a

847
00:33:56,230 --> 00:33:55,120
ufo and ufo a ufo

848
00:33:59,430 --> 00:33:56,240
from

849
00:34:00,789 --> 00:33:59,440
the student publication thranka

850
00:34:04,710 --> 00:34:00,799
srunka

851
00:34:06,950 --> 00:34:04,720
volume 37 issue 14 october the 22nd

852
00:34:09,909 --> 00:34:06,960
1991

853
00:34:12,069 --> 00:34:09,919
and on page seven what do we find ufo

854
00:34:13,750 --> 00:34:12,079
feature is it a bird

855
00:34:16,950 --> 00:34:13,760
is it a plane

856
00:34:19,669 --> 00:34:16,960
no it's an unidentified flying object

857
00:34:21,430 --> 00:34:19,679
you idiot and welcome to the first ever

858
00:34:24,869 --> 00:34:21,440
international ufo conference in

859
00:34:26,950 --> 00:34:24,879
australia entitled the ufo mystery the

860
00:34:29,669 --> 00:34:26,960
conference held in september features

861
00:34:33,430 --> 00:34:29,679
seven speakers three from overseas each

862
00:34:35,510 --> 00:34:33,440
of whom discussed his or her speciality

863
00:34:39,109 --> 00:34:35,520
speakers explored the nature of such

864
00:34:41,430 --> 00:34:39,119
diverse topics as time and space crop

865
00:34:42,550 --> 00:34:41,440
circles abductions and various other ufo

866
00:34:46,030 --> 00:34:42,560
phenomena

867
00:34:48,950 --> 00:34:46,040
with even a few ets

868
00:34:50,389 --> 00:34:48,960
extraterrestrials for those of you not a

869
00:34:52,470 --> 00:34:50,399
faye with the lingo

870
00:34:54,950 --> 00:34:52,480
thrown in for good measure

871
00:34:57,190 --> 00:34:54,960
before i continue i'd like you all to be

872
00:34:59,109 --> 00:34:57,200
aware of the immense courage required in

873
00:35:00,069 --> 00:34:59,119
actually attending a conference of this

874
00:35:01,190 --> 00:35:00,079
nature

875
00:35:02,630 --> 00:35:01,200
friends

876
00:35:05,510 --> 00:35:02,640
so called

877
00:35:09,109 --> 00:35:05,520
snigger behind one's back dinner parties

878
00:35:11,990 --> 00:35:09,119
fall silent as if one just revealed a

879
00:35:14,230 --> 00:35:12,000
propensity for axing one's grandmother

880
00:35:17,030 --> 00:35:14,240
and presenting said person stuffed with

881
00:35:18,630 --> 00:35:17,040
sage and onion for dinner i may as well

882
00:35:21,030 --> 00:35:18,640
have

883
00:35:24,310 --> 00:35:21,040
hoary academics shook their heads

884
00:35:28,710 --> 00:35:24,320
gravely i had crossed the floor become a

885
00:35:31,190 --> 00:35:28,720
lost cause a shingle short had i become

886
00:35:35,190 --> 00:35:31,200
a sensitive new age over-the-top

887
00:35:36,310 --> 00:35:35,200
post-80s lollipop what can i say i did

888
00:35:38,310 --> 00:35:36,320
it because

889
00:35:41,270 --> 00:35:38,320
it was there

890
00:35:43,349 --> 00:35:41,280
so were lots of others

891
00:35:44,630 --> 00:35:43,359
the siebel townhouse function room was

892
00:35:45,829 --> 00:35:44,640
packed with

893
00:35:48,069 --> 00:35:45,839
well

894
00:35:50,790 --> 00:35:48,079
people i think

895
00:35:53,349 --> 00:35:50,800
dressed carefully for the first day's

896
00:35:54,470 --> 00:35:53,359
lectures i thought darlinghurst black

897
00:35:56,310 --> 00:35:54,480
appropriate

898
00:35:58,950 --> 00:35:56,320
i didn't want to draw any attention to

899
00:36:00,870 --> 00:35:58,960
myself or attract whatever unearthly

900
00:36:02,470 --> 00:36:00,880
types i was sure

901
00:36:05,349 --> 00:36:02,480
would be present

902
00:36:08,390 --> 00:36:05,359
i didn't have to worry however as

903
00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:08,400
everyone appeared grossly conventional

904
00:36:13,750 --> 00:36:12,240
to the point of innocuous however i

905
00:36:15,589 --> 00:36:13,760
wasn't convinced

906
00:36:17,430 --> 00:36:15,599
i was sure there were some disguised

907
00:36:20,470 --> 00:36:17,440
aliens checking me out

908
00:36:23,030 --> 00:36:20,480
no doubt partial to lean feral black

909
00:36:25,750 --> 00:36:23,040
attired humanoids to add to their outer

910
00:36:26,790 --> 00:36:25,760
space collection my eyes scoured the

911
00:36:31,190 --> 00:36:26,800
rose

912
00:36:33,270 --> 00:36:31,200
only to meet 600 pairs of other eyes

913
00:36:35,109 --> 00:36:33,280
we were all playing the same game

914
00:36:38,390 --> 00:36:35,119
pick the alien

915
00:36:41,750 --> 00:36:38,400
australian bill chalker author of the

916
00:36:44,710 --> 00:36:41,760
australian ufo experience discussed

917
00:36:47,190 --> 00:36:44,720
ground marks and other physical evidence

918
00:36:50,790 --> 00:36:47,200
one of the main problems he outlined

919
00:36:53,349 --> 00:36:50,800
in exploring ufo phenomena was that many

920
00:36:56,230 --> 00:36:53,359
sightings consisted of only verbal

921
00:36:57,750 --> 00:36:56,240
evidence when physical evidence was what

922
00:37:00,069 --> 00:36:57,760
was needed

923
00:37:01,670 --> 00:37:00,079
more so when verbal testimony was

924
00:37:03,510 --> 00:37:01,680
generally overlooked

925
00:37:05,430 --> 00:37:03,520
or denied

926
00:37:07,589 --> 00:37:05,440
some cases lend themselves more easily

927
00:37:09,990 --> 00:37:07,599
to physical evidence a detailed

928
00:37:14,470 --> 00:37:10,000
investigation was conducted in provence

929
00:37:17,349 --> 00:37:14,480
france in 1981 which confirmed sightings

930
00:37:21,270 --> 00:37:17,359
of a structured object landing from

931
00:37:24,430 --> 00:37:21,280
landmarks and vegetation exposed to

932
00:37:26,630 --> 00:37:24,440
considerable gamma radiation and

933
00:37:28,870 --> 00:37:26,640
electromagnetic fields

934
00:37:31,270 --> 00:37:28,880
french intelligence has since become

935
00:37:35,190 --> 00:37:31,280
involved in the intrigue

936
00:37:38,870 --> 00:37:35,200
and is carrying out tests and simulating

937
00:37:41,030 --> 00:37:38,880
experiments the australian experience is

938
00:37:43,430 --> 00:37:41,040
less encouraging in its official

939
00:37:45,670 --> 00:37:43,440
investigation efforts bill chalker is

940
00:37:47,750 --> 00:37:45,680
the first civilian researcher to gain

941
00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:47,760
direct access to the files of the royal

942
00:37:54,390 --> 00:37:50,400
australian air force which he discovered

943
00:37:56,230 --> 00:37:54,400
are not especially illuminating the rwaf

944
00:37:59,670 --> 00:37:56,240
running a poor second to the

945
00:38:02,870 --> 00:37:59,680
investigative talents of the cia

946
00:38:06,069 --> 00:38:02,880
which does not stand for the catering

947
00:38:08,230 --> 00:38:06,079
institute of australia as someone in the

948
00:38:11,430 --> 00:38:08,240
audience proclaimed

949
00:38:13,670 --> 00:38:11,440
chalker has been re-examining several

950
00:38:17,270 --> 00:38:13,680
well-known australian cases including

951
00:38:22,310 --> 00:38:17,280
the tully saucer nests

952
00:38:24,470 --> 00:38:22,320
in 1966 the deadington melted road tower

953
00:38:27,430 --> 00:38:24,480
tasmania in 1987

954
00:38:29,430 --> 00:38:27,440
the dingle beach truck driver and

955
00:38:32,470 --> 00:38:29,440
disappearing witness

956
00:38:34,230 --> 00:38:32,480
i.e they absconded without leaving a

957
00:38:37,750 --> 00:38:34,240
forwarding address

958
00:38:40,550 --> 00:38:37,760
and the 1988 mundra biller black dust in

959
00:38:42,550 --> 00:38:40,560
the car case more commonly known

960
00:38:43,750 --> 00:38:42,560
as the famous

961
00:38:47,589 --> 00:38:43,760
nullarbor

962
00:38:50,150 --> 00:38:47,599
incident and incidentally nullibor is

963
00:38:52,150 --> 00:38:50,160
a desert area in australia

964
00:38:55,430 --> 00:38:52,160
australian anthony drew has been

965
00:38:58,069 --> 00:38:55,440
researching ufos for the past 15 years

966
00:38:59,589 --> 00:38:58,079
investigating world grid patterns and

967
00:39:02,069 --> 00:38:59,599
ufo activity

968
00:39:04,550 --> 00:39:02,079
geometrically linked locations such as

969
00:39:08,150 --> 00:39:04,560
the bermuda triangle of florida and the

970
00:39:10,790 --> 00:39:08,160
devils sea south of japan which are

971
00:39:14,790 --> 00:39:10,800
noted for mysterious disappearances may

972
00:39:17,430 --> 00:39:14,800
be located along ley lines or meridians

973
00:39:18,630 --> 00:39:17,440
that act as acupuncture points for the

974
00:39:21,589 --> 00:39:18,640
world

975
00:39:24,069 --> 00:39:21,599
positions of these ley lines were given

976
00:39:26,870 --> 00:39:24,079
different names by different cultures

977
00:39:31,270 --> 00:39:26,880
but a common belief was shaped of their

978
00:39:34,310 --> 00:39:31,280
being link up points of creativity and

979
00:39:37,990 --> 00:39:34,320
energy amazonian folklore tells of its

980
00:39:40,390 --> 00:39:38,000
hypothetical center of amazonian women

981
00:39:43,750 --> 00:39:40,400
likewise egypt's beginnings near the

982
00:39:46,470 --> 00:39:43,760
pyramids goes back to a cultural basis

983
00:39:48,470 --> 00:39:46,480
australian locations on gridlines where

984
00:39:51,589 --> 00:39:48,480
unexplained phenomena

985
00:39:53,430 --> 00:39:51,599
have occurred include military posts

986
00:39:56,630 --> 00:39:53,440
that appear to have a

987
00:39:57,910 --> 00:39:56,640
natural power environmentally such as

988
00:39:59,750 --> 00:39:57,920
pine gap

989
00:40:01,349 --> 00:39:59,760
i'm not sure if that last sentence

990
00:40:02,470 --> 00:40:01,359
actually scans very well but

991
00:40:04,790 --> 00:40:02,480
nevertheless

992
00:40:07,030 --> 00:40:04,800
alice springs warmer

993
00:40:08,390 --> 00:40:07,040
bass straight and certain aboriginal

994
00:40:11,750 --> 00:40:08,400
sacred sites

995
00:40:14,150 --> 00:40:11,760
also link up to ley lines and planetary

996
00:40:16,470 --> 00:40:14,160
grid patterns

997
00:40:20,390 --> 00:40:16,480
jerome clark editor of the american

998
00:40:23,510 --> 00:40:20,400
magazine international ufo report

999
00:40:25,589 --> 00:40:23,520
discussed officialdom and ufos

1000
00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:25,599
questioning government activity and

1001
00:40:30,309 --> 00:40:28,079
practicing disinformation and cover-up

1002
00:40:33,349 --> 00:40:30,319
much of clark's theme was anecdotal

1003
00:40:36,390 --> 00:40:33,359
possibly from necessity however there is

1004
00:40:37,829 --> 00:40:36,400
only so much rumor in here say a person

1005
00:40:40,390 --> 00:40:37,839
can take

1006
00:40:42,309 --> 00:40:40,400
some of the air force stories were

1007
00:40:45,190 --> 00:40:42,319
more than interesting although the

1008
00:40:48,069 --> 00:40:45,200
audience became confused by the

1009
00:40:50,230 --> 00:40:48,079
inclusion of both american comedian

1010
00:40:52,630 --> 00:40:50,240
jackie gleason and

1011
00:40:55,349 --> 00:40:52,640
nixon apparently working together in

1012
00:40:57,589 --> 00:40:55,359
various top secret projects

1013
00:40:59,589 --> 00:40:57,599
urban myth or reality

1014
00:41:00,870 --> 00:40:59,599
at this point

1015
00:41:02,950 --> 00:41:00,880
i don't care

1016
00:41:05,109 --> 00:41:02,960
if extraterrestrials get their kicks by

1017
00:41:06,550 --> 00:41:05,119
playing hide and seek and frightening

1018
00:41:08,069 --> 00:41:06,560
the living daylights out of little

1019
00:41:09,510 --> 00:41:08,079
earthlings

1020
00:41:13,109 --> 00:41:09,520
so be it

1021
00:41:15,030 --> 00:41:13,119
what i want to know is do they suffer

1022
00:41:17,829 --> 00:41:15,040
from pmt

1023
00:41:18,710 --> 00:41:17,839
if so they may well as stay where they

1024
00:41:24,630 --> 00:41:18,720
are

1025
00:41:28,470 --> 00:41:24,640
how is the search for extraterrestrial

1026
00:41:32,230 --> 00:41:28,480
intelligence going asks brian o'leary

1027
00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:32,240
ex-nasa astronaut and apollo team 1967

1028
00:41:39,270 --> 00:41:35,920
1968. o'leary comes well documented he

1029
00:41:42,309 --> 00:41:39,280
is the author of the books space 1999

1030
00:41:44,790 --> 00:41:42,319
and exploring inner and outer space and

1031
00:41:47,510 --> 00:41:44,800
was a professor of space sciences and

1032
00:41:49,589 --> 00:41:47,520
physics at princeton he has served on

1033
00:41:51,750 --> 00:41:49,599
the congressional staff

1034
00:41:54,390 --> 00:41:51,760
and as adviser to presidential

1035
00:41:56,870 --> 00:41:54,400
candidates in 1989 he addressed the

1036
00:41:59,829 --> 00:41:56,880
japanese parliament calling for a joint

1037
00:42:02,470 --> 00:41:59,839
u.s soviet japanese mission to mars

1038
00:42:04,710 --> 00:42:02,480
however an intelligence source has just

1039
00:42:08,069 --> 00:42:04,720
recently revealed that the apollo team

1040
00:42:10,950 --> 00:42:08,079
didn't actually go anywhere at all but

1041
00:42:12,150 --> 00:42:10,960
just pretended to apparently it was all

1042
00:42:13,190 --> 00:42:12,160
done with

1043
00:42:15,030 --> 00:42:13,200
mirrors

1044
00:42:16,470 --> 00:42:15,040
one waits for o'leary's lecture with

1045
00:42:18,790 --> 00:42:16,480
some trepidation

1046
00:42:21,349 --> 00:42:18,800
expecting it to be confounded by the

1047
00:42:23,750 --> 00:42:21,359
man's brilliance on quantum physics

1048
00:42:26,950 --> 00:42:23,760
however his powers of communication more

1049
00:42:29,829 --> 00:42:26,960
than equal his qualifications he is

1050
00:42:33,109 --> 00:42:29,839
neither patronizing nor excessively

1051
00:42:35,910 --> 00:42:33,119
facile he sees science knowledge reduced

1052
00:42:38,230 --> 00:42:35,920
to a system a box left-brained

1053
00:42:39,589 --> 00:42:38,240
engineered materialistic

1054
00:42:42,150 --> 00:42:39,599
deterministic

1055
00:42:45,109 --> 00:42:42,160
transcendental sciences have no place in

1056
00:42:46,390 --> 00:42:45,119
this box and by virtue no place in

1057
00:42:49,109 --> 00:42:46,400
society

1058
00:42:52,710 --> 00:42:49,119
the paradigm needs to be expanded to a

1059
00:42:56,630 --> 00:42:52,720
whole new science a new science which

1060
00:42:58,550 --> 00:42:56,640
embraces the new reality to include the

1061
00:43:00,390 --> 00:42:58,560
transcendental experience

1062
00:43:02,630 --> 00:43:00,400
the paranormal

1063
00:43:03,829 --> 00:43:02,640
o'leary showed slides of nasa satellite

1064
00:43:07,270 --> 00:43:03,839
photographs

1065
00:43:08,550 --> 00:43:07,280
revealing mysterious shapes on mars

1066
00:43:11,270 --> 00:43:08,560
one called

1067
00:43:13,829 --> 00:43:11,280
the face on mars was described as a

1068
00:43:16,390 --> 00:43:13,839
possible artifact of extraterrestrials

1069
00:43:19,109 --> 00:43:16,400
in the press release however o'leary

1070
00:43:21,430 --> 00:43:19,119
left me with an impression of grand only

1071
00:43:24,309 --> 00:43:21,440
on this topic an appetite jaded by

1072
00:43:26,710 --> 00:43:24,319
overzealous et bounty hunters he did

1073
00:43:28,870 --> 00:43:26,720
mention that photos from viking 10 years

1074
00:43:30,069 --> 00:43:28,880
later rendered the face in all three

1075
00:43:33,030 --> 00:43:30,079
dimensions

1076
00:43:35,510 --> 00:43:33,040
and in 1992 a trip to mars is planned

1077
00:43:37,750 --> 00:43:35,520
with a new high-resolution camera which

1078
00:43:39,270 --> 00:43:37,760
will reveal more information

1079
00:43:41,349 --> 00:43:39,280
it was possible

1080
00:43:45,190 --> 00:43:41,359
he added flatly

1081
00:43:46,950 --> 00:43:45,200
it was a monument o'leary is obviously

1082
00:43:48,230 --> 00:43:46,960
happier discussing the meaning of

1083
00:43:50,710 --> 00:43:48,240
consciousness

1084
00:43:53,270 --> 00:43:50,720
and the relationship between length time

1085
00:43:55,309 --> 00:43:53,280
and mass and its distortion the closer

1086
00:43:57,750 --> 00:43:55,319
to light it gets

1087
00:44:00,309 --> 00:43:57,760
transcending reality

1088
00:44:03,589 --> 00:44:00,319
the seminar was worth attending just to

1089
00:44:05,349 --> 00:44:03,599
hear larry speak as he is a natural

1090
00:44:08,710 --> 00:44:05,359
communicator

1091
00:44:11,109 --> 00:44:08,720
jenny randles author of 14 ufo books has

1092
00:44:13,349 --> 00:44:11,119
had the dubious honor of lecturing to

1093
00:44:16,069 --> 00:44:13,359
the british parliament on ufos

1094
00:44:18,470 --> 00:44:16,079
which might have woken it up

1095
00:44:20,230 --> 00:44:18,480
unfortunately jenny randall's crop

1096
00:44:23,190 --> 00:44:20,240
circle theory

1097
00:44:26,390 --> 00:44:23,200
came a cropper and it says here in uh

1098
00:44:29,109 --> 00:44:26,400
brackets sorry for the bad joke

1099
00:44:31,430 --> 00:44:29,119
shortly after her visit there when two

1100
00:44:33,750 --> 00:44:31,440
rather geriatric ex-arts students

1101
00:44:36,390 --> 00:44:33,760
gleefully admitted on british television

1102
00:44:38,710 --> 00:44:36,400
to the debauched hobby of creating these

1103
00:44:41,109 --> 00:44:38,720
curious circles in their spare time

1104
00:44:43,829 --> 00:44:41,119
apparently they have been trudging the

1105
00:44:46,390 --> 00:44:43,839
length and breadth of england for years

1106
00:44:48,710 --> 00:44:46,400
in weather fair and fowl drawing perfect

1107
00:44:51,910 --> 00:44:48,720
circles whenever they could find a spot

1108
00:44:54,069 --> 00:44:51,920
i suppose these two old codgers managed

1109
00:44:56,390 --> 00:44:54,079
a quick migration to australia in the

1110
00:44:58,230 --> 00:44:56,400
off season to put their authentic stamp

1111
00:45:00,550 --> 00:44:58,240
on our paddocks

1112
00:45:02,630 --> 00:45:00,560
frankly i'm putting my money on little

1113
00:45:03,829 --> 00:45:02,640
green men a far more credible

1114
00:45:06,950 --> 00:45:03,839
proposition

1115
00:45:09,349 --> 00:45:06,960
a bizarre but well-organized seminar

1116
00:45:12,550 --> 00:45:09,359
although i was disappointed that no

1117
00:45:16,390 --> 00:45:12,560
holographic ufos were darting around the

1118
00:45:19,589 --> 00:45:16,400
foyer as promised and the robotic alien

1119
00:45:22,309 --> 00:45:19,599
was suffering from a touch of rheumatism

1120
00:45:24,870 --> 00:45:22,319
by the look of it i only wish i could

1121
00:45:27,829 --> 00:45:24,880
show you the photo of the alleged

1122
00:45:30,150 --> 00:45:27,839
alien snapped by a british policeman but

1123
00:45:33,430 --> 00:45:30,160
i am unable to reproduce it due to

1124
00:45:36,550 --> 00:45:33,440
copyright laws suffice it to say that it

1125
00:45:39,510 --> 00:45:36,560
lost something in the translation

1126
00:45:40,470 --> 00:45:39,520
well space cases if that wasn't enough

1127
00:45:42,870 --> 00:45:40,480
for you

1128
00:45:46,230 --> 00:45:42,880
why not join the first international

1129
00:45:49,510 --> 00:45:46,240
crop circle tour leaving soon by

1130
00:45:51,750 --> 00:45:49,520
contacting zero two nine seven seven

1131
00:45:54,390 --> 00:45:51,760
one six five four

1132
00:45:56,950 --> 00:45:54,400
that's all i have to say so fly me to

1133
00:45:59,430 --> 00:45:56,960
the moon and let me swing upon a star

1134
00:46:00,950 --> 00:45:59,440
and ride upon a moon beam

1135
00:46:02,309 --> 00:46:00,960
from jupiter

1136
00:46:06,550 --> 00:46:02,319
to mars

1137
00:46:11,270 --> 00:46:08,950
and that was a great report wow what a

1138
00:46:15,030 --> 00:46:11,280
fun report that was from all the way

1139
00:46:16,630 --> 00:46:15,040
back in 1991

1140
00:46:21,510 --> 00:46:16,640
and

1141
00:46:23,829 --> 00:46:21,520
it mirrors it resembles the ufo

1142
00:46:25,270 --> 00:46:23,839
paranormal conferences i've gone to over

1143
00:46:28,309 --> 00:46:25,280
the years

1144
00:46:29,829 --> 00:46:28,319
it really does that's fascinating and

1145
00:46:31,589 --> 00:46:29,839
again that comes from the pages of

1146
00:46:32,630 --> 00:46:31,599
thrunka

1147
00:46:35,270 --> 00:46:32,640
and i

1148
00:46:37,109 --> 00:46:35,280
am keen to see who wrote that but i

1149
00:46:40,950 --> 00:46:37,119
i can't see

1150
00:46:43,109 --> 00:46:40,960
but it may interest you to know later on

1151
00:46:46,230 --> 00:46:43,119
in the magazine it talks about

1152
00:46:49,109 --> 00:46:46,240
clubs and societies on campus

1153
00:46:52,390 --> 00:46:49,119
baking and finance club

1154
00:46:53,990 --> 00:46:52,400
we have we have the chocoholics frenzy

1155
00:46:56,710 --> 00:46:54,000
that sounds good

1156
00:46:59,270 --> 00:46:56,720
uh geography society hang gliding club

1157
00:47:01,190 --> 00:46:59,280
political science society

1158
00:47:03,109 --> 00:47:01,200
underwater club

1159
00:47:05,430 --> 00:47:03,119
that sounds interesting

1160
00:47:07,670 --> 00:47:05,440
university of new south wales orchestra

1161
00:47:10,790 --> 00:47:07,680
and symphonic

1162
00:47:13,430 --> 00:47:10,800
wind ensemble concert

1163
00:47:14,870 --> 00:47:13,440
uh industrial design society game

1164
00:47:16,550 --> 00:47:14,880
players hmm

1165
00:47:19,190 --> 00:47:16,560
lots of things

1166
00:47:21,829 --> 00:47:19,200
and now the next item we find

1167
00:47:24,390 --> 00:47:21,839
is a very short item indeed

1168
00:47:25,990 --> 00:47:24,400
and one line is sort of obliterated

1169
00:47:27,910 --> 00:47:26,000
due to the

1170
00:47:29,990 --> 00:47:27,920
uh reproduction here

1171
00:47:34,630 --> 00:47:30,000
anyway it's from the canberra times

1172
00:47:35,990 --> 00:47:34,640
uh dated the 10th of june 1968

1173
00:47:38,790 --> 00:47:36,000
it says

1174
00:47:41,549 --> 00:47:38,800
50 attend ufo talks

1175
00:47:45,349 --> 00:47:41,559
the commonwealth aerial phenomenon

1176
00:47:47,750 --> 00:47:45,359
investigations organization held its

1177
00:47:50,549 --> 00:47:47,760
now this is the line that's obliterated

1178
00:47:53,109 --> 00:47:50,559
i think it says national

1179
00:47:55,430 --> 00:47:53,119
uh something

1180
00:47:56,430 --> 00:47:55,440
it's it's very hard to say the next line

1181
00:47:59,109 --> 00:47:56,440
says

1182
00:48:00,950 --> 00:47:59,119
unidentified flying objects in canberra

1183
00:48:02,790 --> 00:48:00,960
at the weekend

1184
00:48:05,349 --> 00:48:02,800
about 50 people attended the three

1185
00:48:07,589 --> 00:48:05,359
sessions on saturday when the convention

1186
00:48:09,670 --> 00:48:07,599
papers were given and yesterday's

1187
00:48:12,630 --> 00:48:09,680
delegates from the societies in four

1188
00:48:15,109 --> 00:48:12,640
states reported their activities so

1189
00:48:17,190 --> 00:48:15,119
there we go there was a ufo

1190
00:48:18,390 --> 00:48:17,200
meeting at least of some description way

1191
00:48:20,710 --> 00:48:18,400
back

1192
00:48:22,790 --> 00:48:20,720
in 1968

1193
00:48:25,430 --> 00:48:22,800
and further to that we have another

1194
00:48:27,430 --> 00:48:25,440
report here from the 6th of june 1968 in

1195
00:48:30,230 --> 00:48:27,440
the canberra times again

1196
00:48:32,549 --> 00:48:30,240
ufo body meets in canberra about 40

1197
00:48:34,470 --> 00:48:32,559
people including scientists businessmen

1198
00:48:36,230 --> 00:48:34,480
public servants and housewives

1199
00:48:38,230 --> 00:48:36,240
will gather in canberra at the weekend

1200
00:48:40,870 --> 00:48:38,240
to talk about unidentified flying

1201
00:48:43,589 --> 00:48:40,880
objects representatives of the ufo

1202
00:48:46,230 --> 00:48:43,599
societies and four states in the act

1203
00:48:48,069 --> 00:48:46,240
will discuss papers on topics such as

1204
00:48:50,950 --> 00:48:48,079
the problems of contacts with

1205
00:48:53,750 --> 00:48:50,960
extraterrestrials and the implications

1206
00:48:56,790 --> 00:48:53,760
of scientific research on ufos the

1207
00:48:58,549 --> 00:48:56,800
occasion is the third national ufo

1208
00:49:00,829 --> 00:48:58,559
conference arranged by

1209
00:49:03,430 --> 00:49:00,839
capio

1210
00:49:05,990 --> 00:49:03,440
c-a-p-i-o the commonwealth aerial

1211
00:49:07,829 --> 00:49:06,000
phenomena investigations organization

1212
00:49:11,030 --> 00:49:07,839
the federal body of

1213
00:49:13,109 --> 00:49:11,040
australia's ufo societies

1214
00:49:16,549 --> 00:49:13,119
the president of the canberra ufo

1215
00:49:18,549 --> 00:49:16,559
research society mr h zwank houston that

1216
00:49:21,510 --> 00:49:18,559
thing it's pronounced said yesterday the

1217
00:49:24,150 --> 00:49:21,520
major recent development in ufo study

1218
00:49:26,069 --> 00:49:24,160
was a change in public attitudes only

1219
00:49:28,470 --> 00:49:26,079
five or six years ago most people

1220
00:49:30,630 --> 00:49:28,480
laughed at the idea of ufos now they

1221
00:49:32,549 --> 00:49:30,640
accept that there are such things they

1222
00:49:35,670 --> 00:49:32,559
don't ridicule them as much as they used

1223
00:49:38,390 --> 00:49:35,680
to he said only about 10 of members of

1224
00:49:40,230 --> 00:49:38,400
ufo societies claimed sightings

1225
00:49:45,829 --> 00:49:40,240
the conference will open at the academy

1226
00:49:47,589 --> 00:49:45,839
of science at 8 30 p.m on saturday 1968

1227
00:49:50,549 --> 00:49:47,599
1968

1228
00:49:53,510 --> 00:49:50,559
almost a full 10 years before the movie

1229
00:49:55,990 --> 00:49:53,520
close encounters of the third kind

1230
00:50:00,549 --> 00:49:56,000
and i remember at that time there was a

1231
00:50:03,190 --> 00:50:00,559
huge a huge uh upsurge of interest in

1232
00:50:04,790 --> 00:50:03,200
ufos it was quite something and we seem

1233
00:50:07,510 --> 00:50:04,800
to be chasing this story through the

1234
00:50:09,589 --> 00:50:07,520
pages of the canberra times and this one

1235
00:50:11,670 --> 00:50:09,599
is the canberra times on the 12th of

1236
00:50:13,910 --> 00:50:11,680
july 1971.

1237
00:50:16,710 --> 00:50:13,920
so three years after the last meeting

1238
00:50:18,790 --> 00:50:16,720
the story says ufo society means the

1239
00:50:22,069 --> 00:50:18,800
president of the unidentified flying

1240
00:50:24,309 --> 00:50:22,079
objects investigations center mr f

1241
00:50:26,549 --> 00:50:24,319
phillips addressed a meeting of the

1242
00:50:29,430 --> 00:50:26,559
canberra unidentified flying objects

1243
00:50:31,750 --> 00:50:29,440
researched society on saturday night mr

1244
00:50:34,150 --> 00:50:31,760
phillips spoke of the difficulties in

1245
00:50:35,589 --> 00:50:34,160
obtaining information about unidentified

1246
00:50:38,069 --> 00:50:35,599
flying objects

1247
00:50:39,829 --> 00:50:38,079
and outlined the theories of the sources

1248
00:50:41,990 --> 00:50:39,839
of these objects

1249
00:50:44,470 --> 00:50:42,000
last week there were a large number of

1250
00:50:46,230 --> 00:50:44,480
reports of unidentified flying objects

1251
00:50:47,349 --> 00:50:46,240
in the act

1252
00:50:48,790 --> 00:50:47,359
and

1253
00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:48,800
the act

1254
00:50:52,829 --> 00:50:50,640
stands for the australian capital

1255
00:50:56,710 --> 00:50:52,839
territory where the city of canberra is

1256
00:50:58,790 --> 00:50:56,720
located the most important of these was

1257
00:51:01,910 --> 00:50:58,800
cited on wednesday night

1258
00:51:03,990 --> 00:51:01,920
it was registered by a detector which

1259
00:51:05,510 --> 00:51:04,000
traced it for 20 minutes

1260
00:51:08,390 --> 00:51:05,520
observers said that they were able to

1261
00:51:11,030 --> 00:51:08,400
see the object above mount madura from

1262
00:51:12,470 --> 00:51:11,040
two miles away with binoculars the

1263
00:51:16,549 --> 00:51:12,480
object was not

1264
00:51:20,870 --> 00:51:18,710
and just like we had a time machine

1265
00:51:24,630 --> 00:51:20,880
we're flipping around the years here

1266
00:51:26,390 --> 00:51:24,640
let's go back a few more years to 1966

1267
00:51:29,030 --> 00:51:26,400
once again in the canberra times on the

1268
00:51:30,870 --> 00:51:29,040
10th of october

1269
00:51:32,069 --> 00:51:30,880
ufo body meets

1270
00:51:33,190 --> 00:51:32,079
adelaide

1271
00:51:35,349 --> 00:51:33,200
sunday

1272
00:51:38,230 --> 00:51:35,359
the royal australian air force should be

1273
00:51:40,470 --> 00:51:38,240
relieved of the duty of investigating

1274
00:51:43,030 --> 00:51:40,480
unidentified flying objects and the

1275
00:51:46,430 --> 00:51:43,040
investigation should be widened

1276
00:51:51,069 --> 00:51:46,440
to include scientific organizations the

1277
00:51:53,910 --> 00:51:51,079
csiro for example the president of capio

1278
00:51:56,630 --> 00:51:53,920
capio mr p e

1279
00:51:59,190 --> 00:51:56,640
norris said at the weekend

1280
00:52:01,670 --> 00:51:59,200
capio the commonwealth aerial phenomena

1281
00:52:03,670 --> 00:52:01,680
investigation organization held its

1282
00:52:05,190 --> 00:52:03,680
annual conference in adelaide this

1283
00:52:07,910 --> 00:52:05,200
weekend

1284
00:52:10,630 --> 00:52:07,920
and finally we skip forward to the year

1285
00:52:14,309 --> 00:52:10,640
1988

1286
00:52:16,829 --> 00:52:14,319
on the 28th of january and once again

1287
00:52:21,190 --> 00:52:16,839
in the canberra times

1288
00:52:22,470 --> 00:52:21,200
ustv firm interested in ufo report

1289
00:52:24,069 --> 00:52:22,480
perth

1290
00:52:25,349 --> 00:52:24,079
you've seen close encounters of the

1291
00:52:27,349 --> 00:52:25,359
third kind

1292
00:52:30,549 --> 00:52:27,359
now brace yourself for

1293
00:52:32,390 --> 00:52:30,559
invasion of the car snatchers

1294
00:52:34,710 --> 00:52:32,400
this could be the scenario

1295
00:52:36,790 --> 00:52:34,720
if the story of the knolls family

1296
00:52:39,910 --> 00:52:36,800
encounter with an alleged ufo on the

1297
00:52:43,270 --> 00:52:39,920
nullarbor hits the television screen

1298
00:52:45,270 --> 00:52:43,280
a us television production company aaron

1299
00:52:48,470 --> 00:52:45,280
spelling productions best known for its

1300
00:52:50,549 --> 00:52:48,480
glossy soaps dynasty and hotel

1301
00:52:53,910 --> 00:52:50,559
was negotiating with adelaide's channel

1302
00:52:56,710 --> 00:52:53,920
7 for the rights to the story a channel

1303
00:52:58,630 --> 00:52:56,720
7 spokesman said yesterday the spokesman

1304
00:53:00,549 --> 00:52:58,640
said the negotiations were in the

1305
00:53:02,470 --> 00:53:00,559
preliminary stages and the station's

1306
00:53:04,790 --> 00:53:02,480
executives were meeting yesterday to

1307
00:53:07,990 --> 00:53:04,800
discuss the situation

1308
00:53:09,829 --> 00:53:08,000
no firm offer had been made

1309
00:53:12,630 --> 00:53:09,839
and just briefly the knolls

1310
00:53:16,069 --> 00:53:12,640
ufo story is a is a famous one in the

1311
00:53:18,309 --> 00:53:16,079
annals of australian ufo history was a

1312
00:53:21,349 --> 00:53:18,319
family traveling across the desert and

1313
00:53:23,190 --> 00:53:21,359
they claimed a ufo

1314
00:53:24,470 --> 00:53:23,200
i think picked up their car

1315
00:53:27,109 --> 00:53:24,480
at one stage

1316
00:53:29,829 --> 00:53:27,119
in an exclusive interview on channel 7

1317
00:53:32,150 --> 00:53:29,839
in adelaide they described how a bright

1318
00:53:34,630 --> 00:53:32,160
light hovered above their car

1319
00:53:36,549 --> 00:53:34,640
here we go then lifted it off the road

1320
00:53:37,750 --> 00:53:36,559
before slamming it

1321
00:53:39,430 --> 00:53:37,760
back down

1322
00:53:41,270 --> 00:53:39,440
bruising a tire

1323
00:53:43,030 --> 00:53:41,280
the car filled with smoke and there was

1324
00:53:45,190 --> 00:53:43,040
a foul smell

1325
00:53:47,109 --> 00:53:45,200
the knoll story was given wide news

1326
00:53:48,710 --> 00:53:47,119
coverage in the united states and did

1327
00:53:49,910 --> 00:53:48,720
not escape the attention of aaron

1328
00:53:53,030 --> 00:53:49,920
spelling's

1329
00:53:54,470 --> 00:53:53,040
story scouts ever on the lookout for new

1330
00:53:55,990 --> 00:53:54,480
story lines

1331
00:53:58,710 --> 00:53:56,000
a spokesman for aaron spelling

1332
00:54:01,430 --> 00:53:58,720
productions in los angeles mr howard

1333
00:54:03,510 --> 00:54:01,440
golden said yesterday he had been unable

1334
00:54:06,230 --> 00:54:03,520
to contact the knolls because they were

1335
00:54:08,069 --> 00:54:06,240
holidaying in melbourne he stressed he

1336
00:54:11,030 --> 00:54:08,079
was only interested in making a

1337
00:54:16,870 --> 00:54:11,040
preliminary check but would not explain

1338
00:54:21,589 --> 00:54:19,030
ah yes ufos

1339
00:54:24,390 --> 00:54:21,599
will they ever go away no they will

1340
00:54:26,630 --> 00:54:24,400
never go away and is that a bad thing i

1341
00:54:29,030 --> 00:54:26,640
don't know i don't know there will

1342
00:54:30,790 --> 00:54:29,040
always be reports of unidentified flying

1343
00:54:33,370 --> 00:54:30,800
objects in the sky

1344
00:54:36,829 --> 00:54:33,380
where else would they be under water

1345
00:54:42,069 --> 00:54:39,750
maybe and you too can look for things in

1346
00:54:43,510 --> 00:54:42,079
the sky under the water on the land or

1347
00:54:45,270 --> 00:54:43,520
anywhere else

1348
00:54:48,430 --> 00:54:45,280
by having a

1349
00:54:50,470 --> 00:54:48,440
search in the trove archives at

1350
00:54:52,069 --> 00:54:50,480
trove.nla.gov today you have a look

1351
00:54:54,950 --> 00:54:52,079
today

1352
00:54:56,789 --> 00:54:54,960
and you never know oh boy you'll never

1353
00:54:58,360 --> 00:54:56,799
know what ufos

1354
00:55:20,309 --> 00:54:58,370
you might find

1355
00:55:23,430 --> 00:55:21,829
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1356
00:55:25,430 --> 00:55:23,440
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1357
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1358
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1359
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1360
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1361
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1362
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1363
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1364
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1365
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1367
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1368
00:55:47,349 --> 00:55:44,799
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1369
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1370
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1371
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1372
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1373
00:55:57,510 --> 00:55:54,640
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1374
00:56:00,309 --> 00:55:57,520
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1375
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1376
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1377
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1378
00:56:09,349 --> 00:56:07,280
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1379
00:56:11,750 --> 00:56:09,359
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1380
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1381
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1382
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1383
00:56:22,230 --> 00:56:20,559
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1384
00:56:23,510 --> 00:56:22,240
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1385
00:56:24,789 --> 00:56:23,520
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1386
00:56:28,549 --> 00:56:24,799
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1387
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1388
00:56:33,510 --> 00:56:31,440
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1389
00:56:39,349 --> 00:56:33,520
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1390
00:56:42,630 --> 00:56:41,109
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1391
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1392
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hello to the people who listen after the

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show for the easter egg the dice game

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something different this week something

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very different

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this is where i normally would roll a

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die and you guess what number comes up

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lots of fun i thought i'd try something

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completely different i've got a deck of

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uh

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here we go

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remove the jokers

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and

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give them a shuffle

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i'm going to stop shuffling in a moment

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and just look at the top card

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and i wonder if you

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using your psychic predicting power

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can predict either

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the color of the card the suit of the

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card

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number that's lots of possibilities

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there

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so we'll do it three times see how you

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go are you thinking of a card are you

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five

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of clubs

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so it's a five it's a black card and

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it's a clubs

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i'm going to put that back into the deck

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back into the deck so it's still a full

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deck

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doesn't happen often

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and here comes the next one i'll stop

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queen of spades

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queen

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black card spades

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here we go

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stop

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turn it over

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three of hearts a three a red card and